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PwC: Nigeria needs money, yet paying taxes is difficult

Taiwo Oyedele, head of tax, PwC Nigeria, says Nigeria is one of the most difficult places to pay tax despite the government’s need for taxpayers’ money. Speaking at the recently held Tax Academy Clinic, the tax master advised the tax authorities to make technology the platform for paying taxes; not as an option. “Technology makes things faster, more efficient and more cost-effective. It’s no longer acceptable for authorities to live in the past. Even though Nigeria is starting late, they say better late than never,” he said. “Nigeria doesn’t rank very well on the ease of paying taxes. Nigeria’s tax revenue to GDP ratio is one of the lowest in the world, yet it is one of the most difficult places to pay tax. It is a contradiction: you need tax money but you make the process very difficult. “So, the idea now is to make technology the platform, not an option, for tax compliance in terms of calculating your taxes, making your payments, and filing your returns. In the past, getting your tax clearance certificate used to be like rocket science. “When you need it to buy a plot of land or get a contract, getting the TCC is difficult. With technology now, one should be able to get that immediately. We know that these platforms are not perfect yet; so, our role as PwC, helping so many people to pay their taxes and also paying taxes ourselves, is that once we identify what the problems are, we get the stakeholders to come together to see how we can fix the problems.” He said the use of technology will ensure that the cost of tax compliance is reduced, making it easy to pay taxes. “So, if you simplify it by using technology, what that does is you encourage more people to pay. There is something about compliance cost; it is something that does not benefit the government and the taxpayer. “It is actually the money the taxpayer pays that doesn’t get to the government. So, both the taxpayer and the government have an objective to reduce that cost. “So you can get more people into the tax net and you can get data which is important within the economy for planning government policies that support taxpayers. At the end of the day, taxes are the way the government gets a fraction of the prosperity of people and businesses.” During the tenure of Kemi Adeosun, former minister of finance, the federal government had embarked on the Voluntary Assets and Income Declaration Scheme (VAIDS) to widen the tax base and encourage tax compliance.   Source: Thecable

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Taxation: We need to enhance and expand govt’s revenue base —Buhari

President Muhammadu Buhari has said that the Federal Government will continue to sensitize and encourage Nigerians to cultivate the culture of paying taxes by ensuring fair implementation of policies and effective utilisation of resources. Mr Femi Adesina, the Special Adviser to the President on Media and Publicity, said Buhari stated this when he received the leadership of the Chartered Institute of Taxation of Nigeria at the State House, Abuja on Tuesday. The president revealed that the National Tax Policy document had been reviewed with the aim of institutionalizing a tax payment culture within the Nigerian workforce. Buhari said the progress made in diversifying the economy, providing social security and securing the country could be further improved with enhanced and expanded revenue base. “We have made some progress in the past four years. However, a lot more can still be done. A key step is to enhance and expand Government’s revenue base. “Today, we still rely on oil as our main source of income. This simply is not enough to meet our infrastructure, social services and security needs,’’ he said. While describing Nigerians as hardworking and entrepreneurial, the President said a deeper understanding of the effectiveness of tax on the economy by the populace and fair administration would help in improving government’s revenue shortfalls.   Source: Punch

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PWC canvasses simpler tax process for enhanced compliance

PWC Nigeria has stressed the need for tax administrators to simplify tax payment process in Nigeria, to increase compliance level. The Head of Tax, PwC Nigeria, Taiwo Oyedele, while speaking at the firm’s Tax Academy in Lagos, on Wednesday, said Nigeria’s tax revenue to GDP ratio ranked among one of the lowest in the world. Oyedele expressed worry over the enormous challenges taxpayers face in the process of paying taxes in Nigeria, underscoring the need for simpler process through the use of technology. He argued that the adoption of technology would fast-track the processes, and ultimately check tax evasion and avoidance in Nigeria.“Nigeria does not rank very well on the ease of paying taxes. So, Nigeria’s tax revenue to GDP ratio is one of the lowest in the world, yet it is one of the most difficult places to pay tax.   “It is a contradiction when you need tax money, but you make the process very difficult. If you simplify it by using technology, what that does is you are encouraging more people to pay. “There is something about compliance cost; it is something that does not benefit government and the taxpayer. It is actually the money the taxpayer pays that does not get to the government. So, both the taxpayer and the government have an objective to reduce that cost. That is something that technology does for you.” He continued: “Everything we do today is impacted by technology, which is making things better and faster and more cost-efficient and cost-effective. So, it is no longer acceptable for authorities to live in the past. Even though Nigeria is starting late, they say better late than never.”   “So the idea now is to make technology the platform, not an option, for tax compliance in terms of calculating your taxes, making your payments, and filing your returns. Even when you need your tax clearance certificate in the past, this used to be like rocket science. But with technology, one should be able to get that immediately. We know that these platforms are not perfect yet, so our role as PwC is to help many people to pay their taxes and also paying taxes ourselves,” he added.   Source: Guardian

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VAT: Harmonise minimum wage for quick assent, TUC tells NASS

President of Trade Union Congress of Nigeria, Mr. Bobboi Kaigama, on Monday called for quick harmonisation of the N30,000 national minimum wage bill to enable President Muhammadu Buhari assent to it. Kaigama spoke to the News Agency of Nigeria in Lagos on the implementation of the new minimum wage. NAN reports that the leadership of the Nigeria Labour Congress had urged the President to sign and implement the new wage before the end of the 8th National Assembly. The TUC president said that the House of Representatives and the Senate needed to harmonise the agreed sum and pass it to the President for his assent. ”The N30,000 figure is one, but the aspect of law might not be the same. There is the need to come together and harmonise, produce a clean copy and forward to Buhari to sign. ”If that is not done as soon as possible, it will be difficult for the President to sign and implement the agreed national minimum wage. ”The day Buhari signs the new minimum wage bill, it becomes a law effective from that day,” he said. The labour chief said that implementation would be seamless since the Federal Government had said that it included its provision in the budget, but might take a while in some states that had not included it in their budget. He urged the private sector not to delay its implementation as soon as the bill is enacted into law. The TUC president advised the government to look into the issues of punishment for minimum wage defaulters and frequent review of the process. He also said that Value Added Tax should not be tied to the implementation of the new wage, particularly in the public sector. ”VAT is paid by consumers; it is paid by the lower class, while the business conglomerates and corporate organisations don’t pay appropriate tax. ”It is unfair to tell workers who pays appropriate tax that you will tie VAT to minimum wage. The organised labour disagrees with the government,” he said. Kaigama said that labour would resist any plan to fund the new minimum wage through increase in VAT.   Source: Punch

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How new reforms are impacting on tax revenue generation

Taxation globally is seen as a way of mobilising and supporting a nation’s financial resources. In this vein many nations have been taking the initiative to ensure that the tax administration is efficiently operated. The Nigerian tax system is beset by myriad of challenges, such as non-availability of tax statistics, inability to prioritize tax effort, poor tax administration, multiplicity of taxes to mention a few. In the quest to make tax payment stress-free and convenient, and to improve the doing-business environment in Nigeria, the tax management agency has introduced some reform initiatives to reduce the time for filing and paying taxes by 50% and to improve transparency and efficiency in tax administration. Already, the new tax reform initiatives are beginning to bring significant benefits to the government. The new tax reforms by the Federal Government has impacted tax revenue profile of the government as a record N5.3 trillion tax revenue was generated in 2018 based on data released by the Federal Inland Revenue Services (FIRS) recently. The tax reforms majorly centred on ease of filing federal taxes, tax amnesty for voluntary asset declarers (VAIDS) and getting more people into the tax net. The data released by the FIRS Chairman, Mr. Babatunde Fowler, recently showed that the N5.320 trillion collection is the highest revenue ever generated by FIRS in history. The highest in FIRS was N5.07 trillion generated in 2012. FIRS’ generation of N5.3 trillion is significant as it was at a period when oil prices averaged $70 per barrel. The oil price was at an average of $100 to $120 per barrel between 2010 and 2013. The non-oil component of the N5.320 trillion is N2.467 trillion (53.62 per cent), while oil element of the collection is N2.852 trillion (46.38 per cent). Mr. Fowler said: “I believe that if we continue with the same pace, we can reach 20% of the tax mix comprising of revenue from SMEs by 2019. The government fully supports us. Some projects may take a year or more to develop, but citizens’ belief in the tax system is uplifted even when they see work in progress. “Just like some of the other oil-rich countries, we never imagined that taxation would be the main way to generate revenue. Now we appreciate the fact that oil is a resource with a price determined by more developed countries, and with that, we are disadvantaged. “There is a 2026 agenda for African countries to be able to fund their budgets internally without grants or aid. It is something we can do right now. Nigeria can show the rest of the world that it can transform within a short time and fund its own budget with taxation as a primary source of revenue.” This reform initiatives, driven by the Presidential Enabling Business Environment Council (PEBEC), the Federal Inland Revenue Service (FIRS), the Kano State Inland Revenue Service (KIRS) and the Lagos State Inland Revenue Service (LIRS), include: stating the timeline to complete corporate income tax (CIT) audit on the website; registering companies on the E-filing platform and creating a simplified single schedule for each tax type on the platform, an FIRS report recently indicated. Thus with these reforms, the report said taxpayers now file and pay federal taxes online from the comfort of their offices or home; taxpayers now make electronic payment and filing of state taxes including PAYE, etc. and employers now remit statutory deductions on behalf of personnel online. In addition, corporate income tax (CIT) audits is now done within a 63-day timeline and there is access to e-platforms for all classes of tax payers. The report also indicated that the process is simple and seamless as all that the tax payer needs to do is visit the FIRS website, file all federal taxes online and to pay for Value Added Tax and Company Income Tax. Other benefits of these online tax payment platforms include; improved transparency and efficiency in tax collection and administration and improved tax revenue to even make tax payers experience better, the report said, adding that continuous improvement on the e-platform for better taxpayer experience is based on feedback received. For Lagos and Kano states, which represent the two hubs of business in the nation, tax payers can also visit the Lagos Inland Revenue Service (LIRS) and Kano Inland Revenue Service (KIRS) websites to make electronic payment of taxes including monthly PAYE. To enhance service delivery, electronic self-service help desks are available at all FIRS offices for payment of taxes. Dr. Jumoke Oduwole, Senior Special Assistant to the President on Industry, Trade and Investment said: “We are pleased with the results the reforms are achieving, and we hope that as we work to deepen these reforms they will further strengthen the system to truly drive economic growth.”   Source: Dailytrust

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Experts caution FG: VAT increment will further worsen Nigerians’ situations

Minister of Budget and National Planning, Senator Udoma Udo Udoma and Executive Chairman of Federal Inland Revenue Service (FIRS) Mr. Babatunde Fowler of government’s intention to raise the rate of value added tax (VAT) before the end of 2019 is presently causing ripples among various categories of Nigerians. But experts have warned that such a move will further hurt the Nigeria’s economy and make the people poorer. At a Senate hearing on 2019-2020 Medium Term Expenditure Framework (MTEF) and Fiscal Strategy Paper (FSP) last Tuesday, served the notice on the lawmakers that in view of imminent wage increment stemming from increase in minimum wage from N18,000 to N30,000, the Federal Government intends to hike the current rate of value added tax (VAT). Udoma recalled “that as a result of agitations from the unions that the President set up a tripartite committee to look at the Minimum Wage. Every five years, it is supposed to be reviewed. It has not been reviewed even though there is no doubt that for both the Federal Government and states; it is a tough time to review wages. But the N18,000 is really too low and it is difficult for people to live on N18,000. The President supported a revision but it is important that as we are revising (the minimum wage), we make sure that it can be funded that is why we set up the Bismark Rewane Technical Committee. So we will be coming to you. There may be some changes maybe in VAT and other things. But we will be coming to you in order to make sure that we can fund the minimum wage.” On his part, Fowler told Senate Committee on Finance “I believe that by the end of this year, government and Nigerian people should be ready for an increase in VAT. A lot of Nigerians travel to Ghana and other West African countries and they can see that theirs’s much higher. They pay when they go for those trips. We should be ready for an increase in VAT. I can certainly see an increase in VAT of at least 35 per cent to 50 per cent this year based on our enforcement activities. There, certainly will be an increase in Company Income Tax and also on Petroleum Profit Tax.” Although Udoma tied the plan to planned wage increment, talks about raising VAT rate in Nigeria has been perennial. As late as January this year, Minister of Finance, Mrs. Zainab Usman at the launch of the Strategic Revenue Growth Initiative in Abuja, targeted at improving revenue sources for government the move had become imperative as a result of the fiscal challenges the government is confronted with in providing infrastructure for its people. “There will be a VAT increase. During the course of 2019, we will have clarity as to which items and what the rate will be and we will have to take a request to the National Assembly for amendment before it takes effect. “There is also going to be luxury tax. Already, there is luxury tax imposed on things like jets, yachts and few exceptional items that are classified as luxury and the Chairman FIRS will speak to that but we are contemplating increasing excise duties on carbonated drinks just like we have excise duties now on Tobacco and alcohol. But this is going to be a subject of study because we have to identify which ones will be affected and the best way in which to apply the taxes”, she stated. However, in a fragile economy just returning to growth trajectory after a biting recession, discouraging consumption by increasing VAT may be counterproductive to the economy. There has thus been a cacophony of voices against the move. Governor of Ebonyi state, Mr David Umahi in criticizing the plan described the concept as digging a hole to fill a hole. “Today, I read in the papers where the federal government is lifting VAT from five percent to 35 percent to pay salaries. For me, it’s all about digging a hole to fill a hole. We have not come to the point of realization of how to solve our problems. So, if VAT is lifted from 5 to 35 percent which means that any of us going to buy anything will pay 35 percent more. So, no one should celebrate (election victories) yet. We are in for deeper problems all over the nation. No governor will make magic or President will make magic until we sit down to solve our problems. If they give us N2 billion and the wage bill is N2 billion, you cannot make any other magic. The most important thing we can do for civil servants is what I have done for you by giving loans to you”, he said. Organised Private Sector (OPS) cautioned against the plan warning that it would hurt manufacturers, businesses and consumers alike. In a statement by Nigeria Employers’ Consultative Association (NECA), umbrella body for OPS and Voice of Business in Nigeria insisted that manufacturers and businesses were already saddled with so many challenges, such as infrastructural decay, power, among others. The statement by NECA’s Director-General, Mr. Timothy Olawale, said “the planned increase would erode the gains of minimum wage for low earners, and further weaken their purchasing power, among others. The planned increase of VAT will have far-reaching implications for manufacturers, businesses and consumers alike. Manufacturers and businesses are already saddled with several challenges, such as infrastructural decay, power, etc. “Some companies are closing shops due to some of these challenges while others are still struggling to stay afloat. The proposed increase in VAT would definitely lead to an increase in the cost of doing business, and would likely be passed to the consumers whose purchasing power is already weak. Government does not have to increase VAT in order to enable it pay minimum wage. However, in the event that government must increase VAT against the will of the people, it should be limited to luxury or

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Fowler Calls For Increase In VAT Collection in Nigeria

Mr Tunde Fowler, the Executive Chairman, Federal Inland Revenue Service, FIRS on Tuesday called for an increase in the number of Nigerians and companies paying VAT and not a 50 per cent increase in VAT rate. The FIRS Executive Chairman called for a reduction in Companies Income Tax (CIT) rate for small businesses so as to improve compliance. Though he indicated that there should be an increase in VAT rate by the end of the year, he NEVER, for once suggested a 50 per cent hike of any percentage increase at all. Rather, he promised improved collection in CIT, Petroleum Profits Tax, PPT and VAT in 2019 relative to the collection performance of the Service in 2018. In 2018, FIRS collected the sum of N1.1 trillion in VAT N1,42 in Companies Income Tax (CIT) and N2.4 trillion in Petroleum Profits Tax (PPT). According to Fowler “One issue about taxation is that it should be fair to all. We have discovered after the VAIDS (Voluntary Assets and Income Declaration Scheme) that a high percentage of businesses are collecting VAT and not remitting. We’ve also tried to address this issue.  We’ ve issued new VAT certificates. We have appealed to the public that if they are charged VAT and they are not sure it had been remitted they should contact us. We even gave a small promotion that for every 25 names, that they give to us, we give them a little gift either a power bank or something to show appreciation”. The Chairman of FIRS was entertaining questions yesterday from members of the Senate Finance Committee.   Source: Proshare

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FIRS Resumes “Freezing” of Taxpayers’ Bank Accounts

Summary Following the suspension of lien placed on the bank accounts of alleged non-compliant taxpayers in February 2019, the Federal Inland Revenue Service (FIRS) has directed banks in Nigeria to resume restriction of bank accounts of a number of taxpayers for alleged non-payment of taxes effective 15 March 2019. Details Earlier in the year, the FIRS had directed a number of commercial banks to place a lien on the bank accounts of a number of taxpayers for alleged non-payment of taxes. However, on 15 February 2019, the FIRS, in a letter, directed banks in Nigeria to suspend the lien placed on the bank accounts for a period of 30 days. (Read our tax alert on the suspension of lien here). Following these events, the FIRS has issued a Public Notice (PN) stating that the restriction on the bank accounts of alleged non-compliant taxpayers would continue effective 15 March 2019. In addition, the PN specifically requires companies that have a minimum annual banking turnover of ₦100 million and have failed to remit Withholding Tax and Value Added Tax to the government to register for tax before the 15th of March to avoid restriction of their bank accounts. Implication The powers of the FIRS to direct the freezing of taxpayers accounts still generates a number of controversies as there are concerns that this FIRS’ approach to recover unpaid taxes may not be consistent with the relevant provisions of the legislative framework in Nigeria. (Read our article on the powers of FIRS to freeze taxpayer’s accounts here). Notwithstanding the above, taxpayers whose accounts have been frozen are advised to liaise with their tax consultants to resolve any issues with the FIRS amicably. Andersen Tax has a hands-on Tax Dispute Resolution Desk that is available to provide information to taxpayers regarding tax reconciliation and assist with tax dispute resolution.   Source: Andersontax

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Anderson Tax Unveils Report on Transfer Pricing

Anderson Tax Wednesday launched its review on Transfer Pricing (TP) Development in Africa, in Lagos. The 45-page report was aimed at providing tax payers and investors with the required insight into TP in Sub-Sahara African countries, particularly Nigeria. Addressing journalists, the Chairman, Anderson Tax Africa, Mr. Seyi Bickersteth, said the “report presents our findings from our survey of Nigerian taxpayers.” “The survey was administered to persons in various positions including tax managers/directors, chief financial officers and heads of finance in leading organizations across major industry sectors. He said: “Prior to the release of the revised TP regulations, the survey was administered on 24 participants while after release of the regulations, 100 people participated in the survey. The survey elicited responses in respect of TP compliance, TP risk assessment, TP audit, dispute resolution as well as APA.” In his address, the Partner and Head, Transfer Pricing Group, Anderson Tax Nigeria, Dr. Joshua Bamfo said: “What we have tried to do is to do an in-depth review and research, that we would be able to present to multinational enterprises and other foreign direct investors, as to; what are the requirement when it comes to transfer pricing of the agency across the sub-regions, what are some of the compliance issues, what are some of the challenges be it audit as pertaining within the sub-region? “With these information, we believe that they will be well equipped in factoring when they are making planning decisions in other to enter this market. “If you look at it from the above perspective, one of the objectives of this particular report is to help multinational enterprises to make informed decisions when they decide to make investments in the Sub- Saharan African sub-region. “In the same token, when we look at it from the perspective of the government of this same sub-region, this is very helpful to them. This is because most sub-Sahara countries wants foreign direct investments as a means of creating job opportunities for their citizenry, and to do that, you will want foreign direct investors to be comfortable and confident that when they come in, they are not going to face cynical obstacles. “So in the area of Transfer Pricing; in particular, the area of taxing, we want to be able to help government to ensure that there is clear ease of doing business, and there is clarity in terms of the challenges that foreign direct investors would face.”   Source: Thisdays

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MAN Cautions FG Against VAT Increment

The Manufacturers Association of Nigeria (MAN) on Thursday said the proposed VAT rate incremement was unfriendly to the manufacturing sector. The Director-General of the association, Mr Segun Ajayi-Kadir, made the remarks in Lagos, in spite of the rebuttal from the Federal Inland Revenue Service (FIRS) on the issue. Ajayi-Kadir also said the proposed VAT increment did not take into cognisance the prevailing times and ongoing government efforts to re-invigorate the economy. The director-general said that as plausible as the recommendation to increase VAT looked, implementing it at this time would boomerang. According to him, the timing is inappropriate, especially at a time when the minimum wage of N30,000 was just agreed upon. “This can send the wrong signals that the government is insensitive to the plights of the low- and middle-income earners, who are clearly in the majority. “MAN still wishes to state the implication of carrying out such policy, if the alleged proposed increase in VAT is anything to go by. “It will be seen as a typical case of government simply taking back what was given with the right hand through the National Minimum Wage with the left hand, through increase in VAT,” he said. Ajayi-Kadir urged the Federal Government not to increase VAT at this point in time, but to consider the implementation of the other tax specific recommendations. He also advised the government to continue to ramp-up support for the manufacturing sector in the best interest of the over 200 million Nigerians. The director-general said that Nigerian economy would be in a more vulnerable state, if VAT should be increased now. He said that the burden of the tax would be shifted to the Nigerian consumers that were already struggling. In addition, Ajayi-Kadir said the economy would certainly experience demand crunch, inventory of unsold items would soar, profitability of manufacturing concerns would be negatively impacted, many factories would witness serious downturn or wound down operations. This would also worsen the already high unemployment position in the country. According to him, this is above 23 per cent, as Nigerians currently employed by manufacturing concerns and other businesses may join the reserved army of unemployed and further bloat the unemployment rate. “MAN as a strategic stakeholder in the nation’s development agenda, appreciates the need for government to generate more revenue to fund its developmental initiatives amidst declining revenue from oil. “However, government should thread with caution in the drive for improved revenue for the following reasons. “The economy just recently exited recession with the fragile growth rate of less than two per cent recorded in 2018 and should be delicately managed. “The precarious macroeconomic condition of the country requires palliatives that will improve investment and not higher tax burden. “The prevailing high lending rate, double digit inflation, low per capita income, high unemployment rate and a low 1.91 per cent growth rate, amidst 2.6 per cent population growth rate that are already cumulatively limiting competitiveness, can be further worsened. “Any increase at this time will not be in sync with the standard practice that expects the administration and implementation of VAT to be effected in a manner that distortion and possible adverse effect on the economy are minimised or avoided. “An increased VAT will spur spontaneous increase in inflation rate occasioned by increased prices of goods and services, ” he said. Ajayi-Kadir decried the unfair comparison of VAT rate in Nigeria with other countries in Africa, stating that the macroeconomic dynamics and the level of competitiveness in these countries were not the same with the country. In addition, he said the fact that many states of the federation also had other consumption taxes like VAT currently being levied on businesses should call for circumspection. “There is no doubt that VAT is an important revenue source to the government for running the affairs of the country. “However, the principle of a good tax system is predicated on payment convenience, otherwise it could boomerang, leading to crowding out of businesses; more misery to the citizens and even lesser revenue to the government. “The high PCI and National Minimum Wage countries like South Africa, China and the likes are able to adequately offset the impact of high VAT on growth and wellbeing of the populace,” he said. Ajayi-Kadir proposed that an ideal tax policy should be such that took into cognisance, the status of the economy. “An ideal VAT policy for Nigeria should take into account, the current profiles of Nigeria’s Per Capita Income (PCI), National Minimum Wage (NMW); and Global Competitiveness. “PCI and NMW will help highlight what will be the implication of upward review of VAT on the already depleted wellbeing of majority of Nigerians. “While Global Competitiveness will present insight on the impact of such review on the real sector, particularly the manufacturing sector. “Conversely, given the low Nigeria’s PCI, NMW and Global competitiveness, any increase in VAT at this time, will further depress consumption, industrial production and wellbeing of Nigerians. “In MAN’s previous position and recommendations, the association had advised government to widen the tax net rather than increasing the rate to meet the growing need for more revenue to address the development objective of the country. “There is also the need to harmonise taxes/levies/fees payable by businesses, so as to attract more investments that will translate to higher productivity, and more tax revenue for the government in the medium and long term,” he said. (NAN).   Source: Leadership

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